The cheapest and fastest trains from Geneva to Bonn
Cheapest price on Sep 16
€45
Average ticket price on Sep 16
€78
Fastest journey on Sep 16
7 h 23 m
Average journey duration on Sep 16
7 h 27 m
Trains on Sep 16
69
Distance
509 km
The best way to find a cheap train ticket from Geneva to Bonn is to book your journey as far in advance as possible and to avoid traveling at rush hour.
The average ticket from Geneva to Bonn will cost around €78 if you buy it on the day, but the cheapest tickets can be found for only €45.
It's difficult to get from Geneva to Bonn without transferring at least 5 times.
IR 1817 · IC 521 · IR 1867 · ICE 27811:05 AM7h38Geneva station6:43 PMBonn Hbf€451One-way4 transfers
IR 2519 · IC 970 · ICE 278 · IC 204110:54 AM7h49Geneva station6:43 PMBonn Hbf€451One-way3 transfers
IR 1821 · IC 525 · ICE 276 · IC 23491:05 PM7h38Geneva station8:43 PMBonn Hbf€451One-way3 transfers
IR 2523 · ICE 276 · IC 234912:54 PM7h49Geneva station8:43 PMBonn Hbf€451One-way2 transfers
IR 1825 · IC 529 · IR 1875 · ICE 2743:05 PM7h38Geneva station10:43 PMBonn Hbf€451One-way4 transfers
IR 1829 · IC 533 · IR 1879 · ICE 2725:05 PM7h23Geneva station12:28 AMBonn Hbf€531One-way5 transfers
IR 1811 · IC 515 · IR 1861 · ICE 1088:05 AM7h28Geneva station3:33 PMBonn Hbf€881One-way5 transfers
IR 1813 · IC 517 · IR 1863 · ICE 3709:05 AM7h28Geneva station4:33 PMBonn Hbf€1181One-way6 transfers
IC 715 · IC 1617 · ICE 72 · ICE 9169:35 AM7h28Geneva station5:03 PMBonn Hbf€1281One-way5 transfers
IR 1817 · IC 521 · IR 1867 · ICE 27811:05 AM7h28Geneva station6:33 PMBonn Hbf€781One-way6 transfers
Travel Information
Compare train, bus, and flight for Geneva to Bonn
Omio recommends booking the train as it is the most popular option from Geneva to Bonn among Omio's users. If you are prioritising price, take the bus, with an average ticket price of €63 For those with little time, consider booking a flight, which has an average total journey time of 4h 4m. If you are seeking to minimise your carbon footprint, the train is your best option, with estimated CO2 emissions of 0.2 - 0.5kg. Average ticket prices depend on the travel mode: a bus costs an average of €63, while a flight costs an average of €206.
Distance: 509 km
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Most popular Train | Flight | Bus | Driving |
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€98 Average price | €206 Average price | €63 Average price Cheapest | €163 Average price (fuel + tolls) |
7h 41m Average total duration 7h 11m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 4h 4m Average total duration Fastest 2h 4m Onboard + 2h 0m Additional time* | 13h 1m Average total duration 12h 31m Onboard + 30m Additional time* | 7h 13m Average total duration (door-to-door) |
0.2 - 0.5kg CO2 emissions Lowest | 1.5 - 3.0kg CO2 emissions | 0.5 - 1.3kg CO2 emissions | - CO2 emissions |
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Additional time: Average total travel duration to departure point, security checks and transfers.
This is compared to other travel options from Geneva to Bonn:
A bus is €35 less than a train for this route with tickets for a train from Geneva to Bonn costing on average €98.
A bus is €143 less than a flight for this route with tickets for a flight from Geneva to Bonn costing on average €206.
Other travel options to Bonn take longer:
Train takes on average 7h 11m.
Bus takes on average 12h 31m.
Live departures
Geneva to Bonn train times
The table below shows live departures for Geneva to Bonn trains for tomorrow, Wednesday, September 16. You can also manually refresh the results below to see updated train journeys.
| Provider | Departs | Duration | Arrives | Transfers | Tickets |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
IR 2509 · IC 960 · ICE 200 · 28517 | 5:54 AM Geneva station | 8h00 | 1:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 2509 · IC 960 · ICE 200 · ICE 1518 | 5:54 AM Geneva station | 7h59 | 1:53 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1807 · IC 511 · IR 1857 · ICE 200 | 6:05 AM Geneva station | 7h48 | 1:53 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1807 · IC 511 · IR 1857 · ICE 200 | 6:05 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 1:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2511 · ICE 372 · IC 2045 | 6:54 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 2:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 2 transfers | |
IR 2511 · ICE 372 · ICE 610 · ICE 722 | 6:54 AM Geneva station | 7h39 | 2:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1809 · IC 513 · ICE 372 · IC 2045 | 7:05 AM Geneva station | 7h38 | 2:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 1809 · IC 513 · ICE 372 · ICE 610 | 7:05 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 2:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IC 711 · IC 1613 · ICE 6 · ICE 918 | 7:35 AM Geneva station | 7h50 | 3:25 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 711 · IC 1613 · ICE 6 · ICE 918 | 7:35 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 3:03 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 2513 · IC 964 · ICE 108 · ICE 720 | 7:54 AM Geneva station | 7h39 | 3:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1811 · IC 515 · IR 1861 · ICE 108 | 8:05 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 3:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1811 · IC 515 · IR 1861 · ICE 108 | 8:05 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 3:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 2515 · IC 966 · ICE 370 · ICE 2012 | 8:54 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 4:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 2515 · IC 966 · ICE 370 · ICE 518 | 8:54 AM Geneva station | 7h39 | 4:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1813 · IC 517 · IR 1863 · ICE 370 | 9:05 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 4:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 6 transfers | |
IR 1813 · IC 517 · IR 1863 · ICE 370 | 9:05 AM Geneva station | 7h38 | 4:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 715 · IC 1617 · ICE 72 · ICE 916 | 9:35 AM Geneva station | 7h50 | 5:25 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 715 · IC 1617 · ICE 72 · ICE 916 | 9:35 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 5:03 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 2517 · ICE 106 · ICE 710 · ICE 28 | 9:54 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 5:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 2517 · ICE 106 · 28525 | 9:54 AM Geneva station | 8h00 | 5:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 2 transfers | |
IR 1815 · IC 519 · ICE 106 · 28525 | 10:05 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 5:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 1815 · IC 519 · ICE 106 · ICE 710 | 10:05 AM Geneva station | 7h38 | 5:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 717 · ICE 104 · 28529 | 10:35 AM Geneva station | 9h19 | 7:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 2 transfers | |
IR 2519 · IC 970 · ICE 278 · ICE 516 | 10:54 AM Geneva station | 7h39 | 6:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 2519 · IC 970 · ICE 278 · IC 2041 | 10:54 AM Geneva station | 7h49 | 6:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 1817 · IC 521 · IR 1867 · ICE 278 | 11:05 AM Geneva station | 7h38 | 6:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1817 · IC 521 · IR 1867 · ICE 278 | 11:05 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 6:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 6 transfers | |
IC 719 · IC 1621 · ECE 4 · ICE 224 | 11:35 AM Geneva station | 8h08 | 7:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 719 · IC 1621 · ECE 4 · ICE 224 | 11:35 AM Geneva station | 7h28 | 7:03 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2521 · IC 972 · ICE 104 · ICE 1512 | 11:54 AM Geneva station | 7h59 | 7:53 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2521 · IC 972 · ICE 104 · 28529 | 11:54 AM Geneva station | 8h00 | 7:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 1819 · IC 523 · IR 1869 · ICE 104 | 12:05 PM Geneva station | 7h48 | 7:53 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1819 · IC 523 · IR 1869 · ICE 104 | 12:05 PM Geneva station | 7h49 | 7:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2523 · ICE 276 · IC 2349 | On time 12:54 PM Geneva station | 7h49 | 8:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 2 transfers | |
IR 2523 · ICE 276 · ICE 514 · ICE 620 | 12:54 PM Geneva station | 7h39 | 8:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1821 · IC 525 · ICE 276 · ICE 514 | 1:05 PM Geneva station | 7h28 | 8:33 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1821 · IC 525 · ICE 276 · IC 2349 | On time 1:05 PM Geneva station | 7h38 | 8:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IC 723 · IC 1625 · ICE 70 · ICE 912 | 1:35 PM Geneva station | 7h30 | 9:05 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IC 723 · IC 1625 · ICE 70 · ICE 912 | 1:35 PM Geneva station | 7h50 | 9:25 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 723 · IC 1625 · ICE 70 · ICE 912 | 1:35 PM Geneva station | 8h08 | 9:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2525 · IC 976 · ICE 102 · 28533 | 1:54 PM Geneva station | 8h00 | 9:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 2525 · IC 976 · ICE 102 · ICE 528 | 1:54 PM Geneva station | 7h41 | 9:35 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1823 · IC 527 · IR 1873 · ICE 102 | 2:05 PM Geneva station | 7h30 | 9:35 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1823 · IC 527 · IR 1873 · ICE 102 | 2:05 PM Geneva station | 7h49 | 9:54 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2527 · IC 978 · ICE 274 · ICE 512 | 2:54 PM Geneva station | 7h41 | 10:35 PM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1825 · IC 529 · IR 1875 · ICE 274 | 3:05 PM Geneva station | 7h30 | 10:35 PM Bonn Hbf | 6 transfers | |
IR 1825 · IC 529 · IR 1875 · ICE 274 | On time 3:05 PM Geneva station | 7h38 | 10:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 727 · IC 1629 · ICE 2 · ICE 910 | 3:35 PM Geneva station | 7h50 | 11:25 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 727 · IC 1629 · ICE 2 · ICE 910 | 3:35 PM Geneva station | 8h08 | 11:43 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2529 · ICE 100 · ICE 524 · STR 66 | 3:54 PM Geneva station | 7h56 | 11:50 PM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 1827 · IC 531 · ICE 100 · ICE 524 | 4:05 PM Geneva station | 7h45 | 11:50 PM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 2531 · IC 982 · ICE 272 · ICE 920 | 4:54 PM Geneva station | 8h42 | 1:36 AM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IR 2531 · IC 982 · ICE 272 · ICE 510 | 4:54 PM Geneva station | 7h34 | 12:28 AM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1829 · IC 533 · IR 1879 · ICE 272 | 5:05 PM Geneva station | 8h31 | 1:36 AM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IR 1829 · IC 533 · IR 1879 · ICE 272 | 5:05 PM Geneva station | 7h23 | 12:28 AM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IC 733 · IC 60402 | 6:35 PM Geneva station | 10h46 | 5:21 AM Bonn Hbf | 1 transfer | |
IR 1835 · IC 539 · IR 1885 · IC 60402 | 8:05 PM Geneva station | 9h16 | 5:21 AM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IC 737 · IC 646 · ICE 76 · ICE 1014 | 8:35 PM Geneva station | 12h50 | 9:25 AM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
IC 737 · IC 646 · ICE 204 · 28509 | 8:35 PM Geneva station | 13h19 | 9:54 AM Bonn Hbf | 3 transfers | |
IC 737 · IC 646 · ICE 76 · ICE 1014 | 8:35 PM Geneva station | 12h28 | 9:03 AM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
RE 18489 · IC 543 · IC 696 · ICE 204 | 9:38 PM Geneva station | 12h16 | 9:54 AM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
RE 18489 · IC 543 · IC 696 · ICE 76 | On time 9:38 PM Geneva station | 12h05 | 9:43 AM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
RE 18489 · IC 543 · IC 696 · ICE 76 | 9:38 PM Geneva station | 11h25 | 9:03 AM Bonn Hbf | 6 transfers | |
RE 18489 · IC 543 · IC 696 · ICE 76 | 9:38 PM Geneva station | 11h47 | 9:25 AM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
IR 1741 · IC 1643 · S 3 · ICE 376 | 10:19 PM Geneva station | 12h14 | 10:33 AM Bonn Hbf | 6 transfers | |
IR 1741 · IC 1643 · S 3 · ICE 376 | 10:19 PM Geneva station | 12h24 | 10:43 AM Bonn Hbf | 4 transfers | |
RE 18491 · IR 2543 · IR 2155 · IR 2304 | 10:39 PM Geneva station | 12h04 | 10:43 AM Bonn Hbf | 5 transfers | |
RE 18491 · IR 2543 · IR 2155 · IR 2304 | 10:39 PM Geneva station | 11h54 | 10:33 AM Bonn Hbf | 7 transfers | |
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Journey information
Overview: Train from Geneva to Bonn
Trains from Geneva to Bonn run on average 9 times per day, taking around 7h 11m. Cheap train tickets for this journey start at €60 but you can travel from only €41 by bus.
The earliest train runs at 00:01, the last at 23:49. The fastest train covers the 509 km distance in 7h 29m.
Distance 509 km |
Average train duration 7h 11m |
Cheapest ticket price €60 |
Trains per day 9 |
Fastest train 7h 29m |
First train 12:01 AM |
Last train 11:49 PM |
Cheapest Month Jan |
Cheapest Day Tue |
High Season Jan - Mar |
Low Season Jul - Sep |
Busiest Day Tue |
Least Busy Day Sun |
Best time to book 77 days |
Train companies: Deutsche Bahn, Swiss Federal Railways (SBB CFF FFS) from Geneva to Bonn trainsDeutsche Bahn, Swiss Federal Railways (SBB CFF FFS) trains will get you between Geneva and Bonn from €41. With over 1000 travel companies on Omio, you can find the best train times and tickets for your trip.
Deutsche Bahn
A Bordrestaurant (restaurant car) where you can sit and eat.
A Bordbistro (bistro bar) with snacks, hot meals, and drinks to-go.
At-seat service in 1st class: staff will take your order and serve food/drinks directly to your seat.
Regional trains (RE / RB / S-Bahn):
No onboard catering.
You’re welcome to bring your own food and drinks.
Not included by default.
You can add a seat reservation when booking (recommended for busy routes).
Costs around €4.90 per seat (or €5.90 if booked separately later).
First Class:
Yes, always included in the ticket price.
Allowed for free if they can fit in a transport box (max. size: hand luggage).
Must stay in the box for the entire journey.
Large dogs:
Require a separate (paid) ticket — typically half the price of a regular second-class ticket.
Must be leashed and wear a muzzle while on the train.
Cannot sit on seats.
Assistance dogs:
Travel free of charge.
Do not need a muzzle or leash if medically not required.
Allowed to accompany the passenger at all times.
Swiss Federal Railways (SBB CFF FFS)
FAQs: Trains from Geneva to Bonn
Find answers to the most common questions about traveling from Geneva to Bonn by train. From journey times and ticket prices to direct connections, first and last departures, and even whether the route is scenic, our FAQs cover everything you need to plan your trip. Whether you’re looking for the fastest train, the cheapest option, or tips for making the most of your visit at Bonn, this guide helps you travel smarter and with confidence.

popular train stations
Popular train stations from Geneva to Bonn
Most Geneva to Bonn trains use the Genève to Bonn Hbf station pair, with some services arriving at Bonn-Beuel. Use this guide to compare Geneva and Bonn train stations on this route, check city-centre transport, alongside checking practicalities like train station facilities and services.
Which Geneva station do trains to Bonn leave from?
Getting to Genève from Geneva city centre
Genève train station facilities and services
Genève has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Lockers, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Hotel, Shower, Lounge, Lost and Found Office, Ticket Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental, Information Desk, and Luggage Carts.
Food and drink
Food options include: Le Bistrot de Charlotte, Les Brasseurs, La Matze Restaurant
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Free. ATMs are available in the train station.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Genève. Information desks are located in the main hall.
Luggage and lost property
Luggage storage is available at Genève. Lost and found is available at the station.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Genève: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Bike and car services
Available at Genève: Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Genève: Elevators, ramps, restrooms.
Shops, hotels and contact
Nearby hotels include Warwick Geneva, Hotel Cornavin, ibis Styles Genève Gare.
Getting to Genève-Aéroport from Geneva city centre
Genève-Aéroport is 4 km from Geneva city centre. Public transport options include:
Genève-Aéroport train station facilities and services
Genève-Aéroport has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Lockers, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Hotel, Lost and Found Office, Ticket Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental, Information Desk, and Luggage Carts.
Food and drink
Food options include: Le Chef Genève Aéroport, Montreux Jazz Café
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Free. ATMs are available in the train station.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Genève-Aéroport. Information desks are located in the main hall.
Luggage and lost property
Luggage storage is available at Genève-Aéroport. Lost and found is available at the station.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Genève-Aéroport: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Bike and car services
Available at Genève-Aéroport: Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Genève-Aéroport: Elevators, ramps, restrooms.
Shops, hotels and contact
Nearby hotels include Hotel Novotel Suites Geneva, ibis Geneva Airport Hotel, Mövenpick Hotel & Casino Geneva.
Which Bonn station do trains from Geneva arrive at?
Getting to Bonn Hbf from Bonn city centre
Bonn Hbf train station facilities and services
Bonn Hbf has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Lockers, Shopping, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Hotel, Lounge, Lost and Found Office, Ticket Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental, and Information Desk.
Food and drink
Food options include: Magd und Knecht, Cafébar Macchiato, Frittebud, McDonald's
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Wi-Fi is available at Bonn Hbf. ATMs are available at Bonn Hbf.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Bonn Hbf. Information desks are available at Bonn Hbf.
Luggage and lost property
Luggage storage is available at Bonn Hbf. Lost and found is available at the station.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Bonn Hbf: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Bike and car services
Available at Bonn Hbf: Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Bonn Hbf.
Shops, hotels and contact
Nearby hotels include Motel One, Hotel Rheinland, Hotel Löhndorf, Villa Esplanade.
Getting to Bonn-Beuel from Bonn city centre
Bonn-Beuel is 2 km from Bonn city centre. Public transport options include:
Bonn-Beuel train station facilities and services
Bonn-Beuel has practical services for this route, including Wifi, Lockers, Shopping, Parking, Dining, ATM, Taxis, Accessibility, WC, Hotel, Lounge, Lost and Found Office, Ticket Office, Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental, and Information Desk.
Food and drink
Food options include: Cafe Wagner, Stadt-Café, Freundlicher Imbiss, Beueler Döner- & Pizza-Center
Wi-Fi and ATMs
Wi-Fi is available at Bonn-Beuel. ATMs are available at Bonn-Beuel.
Tickets and information
Ticket office support is available at Bonn-Beuel. Information desks are available at Bonn-Beuel.
Luggage and lost property
Luggage storage is available at Bonn-Beuel. Lost and found is available at the station.
Parking, taxis and toilets
Available at Bonn-Beuel: Parking, Taxis, WC.
Bike and car services
Available at Bonn-Beuel: Bike Parking, Bike Rental, Car Rental.
Accessibility
Accessibility facilities are available at Bonn-Beuel.
Shops, hotels and contact
Nearby hotels include Garten Hotel, Portofino.
Getting to Bonn-Beuel, Bahnhof from Bonn city centre
Bonn-Beuel, Bahnhof is 2 km from Bonn city centre. Public transport options include:
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